The Science is Impossible

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senatorchugway:

I was trying to think of a proper religious analogy for what Sam would be in this whole deal considering she is like THE ORIGINAL ROBOT LORD but not necessarily for transformers just. Robots in general. But all I could come up with is that I”m like a Daedric prince and she’s Sithis. The void. Cold and mysterious and without form. 

Pyro is the instigator of my fall from non-robot heaven. 

Anna, this is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me.

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freedomfororcas:

caong:

derangedhyena:

I only make horrible things.

Here is a horrible short comic based on real things. (the more you know about Lolita/Tokitae and Hugo the more sense this will make.) 

Tokitae still lives in a ridiculous shit tank that small, by the way.

I admittedly don’t know the circumstances of Hugo’s actual demise (I couldn’t find anything about the event itself.) But factually: he did die of a brain bleed, and he was known for bashing his head on the walls. Probably related.

Because happy animals habitually bash their head into concrete walls for fun, right?

The truth of the matter is: these two huge animals were put in a relative goldfish bowl to jump around for human amusement. How do you think they felt about that? 

They can’t possibly have any real concept of what’s going, or gone, on. How would they? 

Please don’t support marine circuses, and definitely don’t support the shithole MSQ. (There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to improve my opinion of that place.)

Powerful stuff. I’d say Hugo’s head bashing was the probable cause of his death, since he hit the tank walls hard enough to break through them at one point. There’s no way he was just fine and dandy after doing that to himself.

oh my god

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Anonymous asked: I feel that the media stereotype given to us by IDW & Hasbro for their female coded alien machines is kind of uncreative and borderline offensive. I certainly can't see any of myself in them, nor can I see anyone I know who identifies as female in them. That said, I was wondering, as long as I gave credit, would it be alright for me to draw your designs instead of the canon interpretation? I've been planning redesigns of my own, but yours are far better than anything I could have come up with.

Yeah, I mean, there ARE women who identify with that type of character, but there’s a lot of ignoring happening to women who don’t.  Some women look masculine in real life….that’s a thing (although even me using the term masculine, proves how coded we are to think of things that way because obviously, a woman is a woman as long as that’s what she says…nothing else matters). that exists.  So when people harp on the designs and say they don’t look like women, I’m kind of sad.  I’m sad on behalf of my friends and family who are broad chested or flat-chested or have no butt to speak of.  They are still women.  It makes me sad that having more of a jaw or angular cheekbones get dismissed as male, because they don’t conform to the idea that women have round faces and small chins.  I don’t have that type of face…lots of people don’t!

But you get that, so sorry to drone on!

If you want to draw these designs, please do!  These were just quick, fanart and I’m really glad you like them enough to want to draw them yourself!  If you want to, I’d love to see anything you draw (my designs or if you come up with your own!!)

Cheers!

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Anonymous asked: (cont)I would like to see characters you talk about, males with femail traits and vise versa but right now we have a lot of obviously male characters and I'd take all female-coded characters I can get. Because yes, I'm a girl, with curves and full lips and hips and I loved new TF ladies as they are. You talk about problems that don't suit this particular canon. Can we first get female-looking characters in the main cast at least and then complain about how similar they look?

Thanks for taking the time to message me directly, I always appreciate that if only for the opportunity to talk with people more directly!

The thing about redesigning Windblade to be less offensive was actually referring to Windblade’s cultural elements.  I may have been unclear about that in my original post…I wasn’t trying to describe her gendered traits as offensive, but her misplaced kabuki elements.  (I’m leaving that aside for now because it’s a whole other topic that requires a fair bit of separate discussion!)

I didn’t necessarily want the designs to look male, but unfortunately, a lot of times, if things aren’t overtly female they are just read as male in our culture.  I also probably have a pretty ‘masculine’ face-drawing style, so that’s my fault.  I’m not a professional character designer, so i acknowledge that certain elements could have been handed more delicately!

These designs are just three examples….they aren’t meant to replace all the more traditionally female looking characters (or any, because realistically, all four fem bots in IDW are already designed and in print as what they are) just to show that something outside that norm is conceivable.  As I mentioned to a previous PM, I have friends and family with these types of bodies.  It’s really good to have women with curves and full lips in media….but they are not the ONLY type of women.  To say that all women should be that particular type is kind of erasing all the women who have no breasts and straight figures, and strong jaws and thin lips.  Women who exist and don’t ever get to see themselves in media.  Adding different women isn’t saying we should get rid of curvy, sexy women.  We should have both!

Representation is about more than just raw visibility…women have always been present in media…just….only in one or two shapes, and with little focus on anything other than their gender.  It’s not enough to say let’s get women in the comics first and worry about their presentation later.  That’s only a baby step away from let’s get bad stereotypes in first….we’ll worry about turning them into real characters later.  We should aim for good representation from day one.  Right now we are four for four that the fembots in IDW all have the same body type.  Indicators are not strong for that changing.  If if was one or two ladies with all the traditional markers of a woman, and maybe two OTHER types of women, things would be better….but that’s not the case.

I am really happy that you like representation of the fembots in IDW, and that you’re glad to see your type of body on those characters….but what about all the women who don’t have any of those traits?  They get shit in real life for not conforming to the media’s idea of what women are supposed to look like, (we all do; you, me, my roommate etc.) let’s not encourage that attitude to continue when we don’t have to.

Thanks again, and take care!

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whatisthisidont-even asked: Okay first off i need to point out that u adore your art on a technical level. BUT and i'm sure you saw this coming your TF redesigns even with the human sketches still look like males. Even with the human traces beside them. "Male" isn't neutral it's a gender too and with your human traces i cover of their breasts and they look like men too. It's legitimately upsetting to me. It feels like you're taking away the few female characters we have.

Firstly, thank you for your kind words about my art!  As for the reading them as men….I’m sorry you feel that way.  I definitely understand that some people read their faces as a little masculine…I have a pretty harsh, angular drawing style that’s been getting kind of thrown back at me for this particular issues, but that’s okay…my failing!  I think it’s too bad people see the body-types as male though….I actually know people with these body types.  My roommate of nearly four years has a build not unlike the ones I used…broad shoulders and chest, very small breasts, slim hips.  People DO read her as male or female in equal part (she’s cool with this….encourages it really).  I have relatives who are dancers who are small, stocky, muscular as hell with no breasts to speak of.  I have a mother who underwent mastectomy this year.  To say that these body types don’t exist on women, or look like men when you take away the breasts is a little disheartening…I understand  what you mean, but these types of women are real…they just aren’t the ONLY type of woman.  This is a very small sampling!  Breasts don’t define a woman.  I’m not trying to say that we shouldn’t have female characters who are curvy or have breasts of all shapes and sizes…just that they shouldn’t be the only characters we present.  My three designs are all leaning away from that type just as examples of how characters can be women without those features!  I wasn’t trying to insinuate that this is how all fem characters should look or be dismissive of more traditionally fem characters, and I’m sincerely sorry that got a little lost in translation!  I hope that makes sense….

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nonvieta:

So a lot of people, whom I haven’t yet had a chance to respond to personally, have commented that the designs were too masculine, or read as male to them.  I certainly see how they could absolutely be read as male, but I wanted to address the fact that we seem to have double-standard when it comes to male and female traits, ie/ a ‘male” character can exhibit stereotypically female traits (full lips, thighs, small waist, smaller frame etc) and still be considered male or appropriately masculine, but a woman cannot not exhibit any significant number of “male” traits…and more importantly MUST (absolutely must) exhibit nearly all the traits associated with femaleness.  If not then…she just reads as male?

I traced, literally traced the designs (maybe shaved off some robot kibble…even a human Ultra Magnus wouldn’t have four foot high shoulder pylons).  I was extra careful to keep the general shape and build and facial structure the same.  Windblade’s slimmed-down hips, Elita’s more muscular upper body (she’s a solider after all), Chromia’s rounder face and more traditional hips to waist ratio.  Could I have made these exact same lines into men?  Yes.  With tertiary gender characteristics.  

Not many people would argue that the human versions look female.  Do they look like most women in media? No.  But I know women with these builds and features….just because we don’t see them on TV doesn’t mean they don’t exist, and it doesn’t mean they don’t want representation.

So why do the humans look like women but the robots don’t (to some).  

Tertiary gender characteristics.  

And also, cultural bias.  Our society is trained to identify women by certain traits….traits that are systematically stored in our cognitive responses to women.  We see a very narrow representation of women in all media.It is to the point that most people assume male until proven otherwise.  If is not DISTINCTLY and IRREFUTABLY female….it must be male.  Because men have variety and women are all  the same.

These designs aren’t trying to object to women in Transformers, or even women who look like women.  It’s just addressing that there are hundreds of characters considered male, and four females (right now).  Some people have pointed out, as I expected, that there are male characters with “boobs” or defined lips, or shapely hips.  And that’s true…and fine!  But note that a) they tend to only have one or two traits from the “THIS IS A WOMAN” checklist at a time, not be a full-fledged compilation, and b) they are individuals, not rules.  For every male transformer with a built up chest, there are twenty without it, for every one with full lips, there are dozens without, for every Tailgate there is an Ultra Magnus, a Fort Max, a Megatron.  

Female characters can have these traits….but there should be some without.  THAT is an even playing field.  100% of female transformers in the IDW series at this moment have boobs AND lips AND narrow waists AND curvy hips and thighs.  100%.

Representation is not just about quantity, but quality.  A total of four female characters, who only just vary from each other is not accurate representation.  It ignores all the women who can’t see themselves in this type of build at all.  It ignores women with small breasts, or no breasts, or thin lips, and muscular builds and stick straight builds and everything in between.  It ignores that women are not merely a checklist of feminine traits but personalities and individuals, just like men.  (And that the world isn’t JUST men and women in a strict gender binary, at that) 

Question; do you have trouble thinking of your female cat as female?  She looks, acts, smells and otherwise is identical to a male cat.  Does it matter?  She’s not a human…human gender norms don’t apply.  

The point is that we, as a society normalise a very narrow idea of what qualifies as a woman.  Everything that doesn’t fit in that narrow definition is male by default.  A lot of people struggle with the idea of gender neutrality…it is hard to think that way we are so, so hardwired against it, and with a media and society fighting very hard to retain that status quo.

I want more fembots in my Transformers…I want more female-looking Transformers who go by ‘he’ and male-looking transformers who go by “she” and everything in between.  It’s a perfect sci-fi concept…there is utter freedom to apply gender to any character in any way desired.  Why can’t there be characters who look like Optimus who just like to go by she?  It’s been stated in the comic that pronoun for them is merely a choice.  I want to see that explored!   Female looking fembots are great! So are ones who look less female.  The more of BOTH in BOTH directions we have, the more believable the gender neutrality of the TFs becomes.  When you take a character like Tailgate, or Whirl, who don’t even have faces, or bodies really resembling humans, and call them male and everyone’s okay, you should be able to do the same with women.  That’s what I mean when I say there should be variety.

And at the end of the day, if you can’t look at a fictional robot, and conceive of it being anything other than male, you might have some soul-searching to do in order to understand why that thinking is so pervasive.

I think this is a dialog that needs to happen.

I think that everyone was very very quick to jump on the female Transformers band wagon, without being very critical.  We were given fems….but they conform to every stereotype that women in fiction ever have conformed to.  It’s….technically progress, but it’s not without fault and it warrants more than just blind praise.  If these designs do nothing other than get people talking, debating thinking, criticising both others’ stances, and also their own…well, then that’s great!  Dialog is important!

I also want to thank everyone who’s taken the time to look at and talk about these designs, whether positive or negative or neutral.  I think it’s meaningful either way.  It’s my earnest hope that this post clarifies my position a little bit (although there’s a lot more I don’t want to cram in here right now….this is long enough!) 

I’m not sure I’m going to be able to properly express why, while I love the style (you draw great c: ) I’m still not comfortable or happy with how… male(masculine these look, but I’ll give it a try.

Just going to start with the guestion: a cat isn’t shaped like a human, but TFs ARE (but you still can’t just trace a human and make them into TFs, which is why I’m not… those traces you did doesn’t feel fair or correct to me?), so, there’s that.
Either way, going to start with linking this http://swindleofficial.tumblr.com/post/51818283396/g1-femmes-appreciation-post-requested-by which is the femmes from the G1 cartoon. None of them have the traits you’re talking about, Arcee was the one who got any sort of “boobs and hips”.

Sure, this means that later iterations of the female characters got more “classic, stereotyped” female curves, like (because I have it easily on hand and it’s pretty endemic of some of the later female character TFs), Dreamwave Elita here:

But then you have other characters who don’t look exactly like that - Beast Machines Strika, and Animated Strika have different shapes, even if they “conform” and then you have Combusta and Falcia from Linkage like I saw someone bring up elsewhere. But part of it is, like… all TFs are exaggerated in shape, and depending on the design, you either have to rely on the face, or *stereotypical lines and curves and shapes* to get the “sex” and gender of the character across, which usually ends up with some serious hips for the female characters if you omit the boobs or don’t make the faces particularly “female”.

I’d also like to point out that, even if you say you want variation, to me all of your three look rather… similar in body shape.

Not sure I managed to completely convey what I wanted here but… I tried.

Yeah I definitely hear what you are saying. What I meant by the cat thing was not meant to be taken literally…obviously a cat doesn’t look a human but TFs do, so it’s not a perfect comparison. What I was trying to get across with that idea is that there seems to be this pervasive idea that we’re incapable of conceptualising a lack of gender…and I don’t buy that. That human beings can conceptualise far more challenge and complex things (time, the infiniteness of the universe or lack thereof, mortality, etc) but not be able to think of a character without gender in the traditional human sense….that’s kind of silly. The cat analogy was more referring to gender as an abstract concept….we can think of a cat in non-human gender terms, and not just because of how they look. I believe that we’re not beholden to the gender binary and are capable of embracing more than that, especially for a science fiction universe where anything goes. I think most people can conceive of gender beyond chromosomes, we just have to overcome a lot of societal conditioning.

You make a lot of great points about the trouble with designing female robots, and how artistic short- hand needs to be applied to make clear the gender. There are lots of non-IDW lady bots that have pretty good design in their continuity. As for the G1 fembots i agree to an extend that they are overly sexualised….but all the G1 ladies were little more than palette swaps of one another….they were female first characters second. My point is that they don’t NEED to be a clear gender. Having a character go by she is more than enough for that character to be identified as female because that’s all that matters. She doesn’t have to look, act or be anything other than that to be identified as female. The idea that the females of a non-organic, non-gendered species need to be “biologically” different in any way is troubling. It says that women are defined by their biology and not their personality or choice to be identified as such. I don’t think Transformers in this ONE universe need to have gender because they have gender in every other universe, so lets try something different, something more high concept and challenging for its target adult audience. The idea that amongst a non-gendered species individuals would CHOOSE to be identified as female is powerful….far more powerful than the idea that they are female because they have to be. When we start saying females are only female when we have to be, we make it sound like no one would chose to be female, which is neither true nor an idea we want to encourage to male or female readers.

If these designs are all too similar that is a fine complaint. I’m not a professional character designer so I definitely acknowledge that that aspect could be done better. If I had done these character in one image they might seem more varied because I would draw them different sizes, but that’s neither here nor there. (Ill also readily admit they have relatively similar faces, but moist IDW artists draw everyone with nearly midentical faces so I wasn’t really putting weight in people recognizing characters by their fads alone). They’re just quick first-pass designs, rather than honed finalized ones, so those criticisms are valid.

Hope that makes sense, I’m running caffeine free this morning….

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sg-roadbuster:

nonvieta:

So a lot of people, whom I haven’t yet had a chance to respond to personally, have commented that the designs were too masculine, or read as male to them.  I certainly see how they could absolutely be read as male, but I wanted to address the fact that we seem to have double-standard when it comes to male and female traits, ie/ a ‘male” character can exhibit stereotypically female traits (full lips, thighs, small waist, smaller frame etc) and still be considered male or appropriately masculine, but a woman cannot not exhibit any significant number of “male” traits…and more importantly MUST (absolutely must) exhibit nearly all the traits associated with femaleness.  If not then…she just reads as male?

I traced, literally traced the designs (maybe shaved off some robot kibble…even a human Ultra Magnus wouldn’t have four foot high shoulder pylons).  I was extra careful to keep the general shape and build and facial structure the same.  Windblade’s slimmed-down hips, Elita’s more muscular upper body (she’s a solider after all), Chromia’s rounder face and more traditional hips to waist ratio.  Could I have made these exact same lines into men?  Yes.  With tertiary gender characteristics.  

Not many people would argue that the human versions look female.  Do they look like most women in media? No.  But I know women with these builds and features….just because we don’t see them on TV doesn’t mean they don’t exist, and it doesn’t mean they don’t want representation.

So why do the humans look like women but the robots don’t (to some).  

Tertiary gender characteristics.  

And also, cultural bias.  Our society is trained to identify women by certain traits….traits that are systematically stored in our cognitive responses to women.  We see a very narrow representation of women in all media.It is to the point that most people assume male until proven otherwise.  If is not DISTINCTLY and IRREFUTABLY female….it must be male.  Because men have variety and women are all  the same.

These designs aren’t trying to object to women in Transformers, or even women who look like women.  It’s just addressing that there are hundreds of characters considered male, and four females (right now).  Some people have pointed out, as I expected, that there are male characters with “boobs” or defined lips, or shapely hips.  And that’s true…and fine!  But note that a) they tend to only have one or two traits from the “THIS IS A WOMAN” checklist at a time, not be a full-fledged compilation, and b) they are individuals, not rules.  For every male transformer with a built up chest, there are twenty without it, for every one with full lips, there are dozens without, for every Tailgate there is an Ultra Magnus, a Fort Max, a Megatron.  

Female characters can have these traits….but there should be some without.  THAT is an even playing field.  100% of female transformers in the IDW series at this moment have boobs AND lips AND narrow waists AND curvy hips and thighs.  100%.

Representation is not just about quantity, but quality.  A total of four female characters, who only just vary from each other is not accurate representation.  It ignores all the women who can’t see themselves in this type of build at all.  It ignores women with small breasts, or no breasts, or thin lips, and muscular builds and stick straight builds and everything in between.  It ignores that women are not merely a checklist of feminine traits but personalities and individuals, just like men.  (And that the world isn’t JUST men and women in a strict gender binary, at that) 

Question; do you have trouble thinking of your female cat as female?  She looks, acts, smells and otherwise is identical to a male cat.  Does it matter?  She’s not a human…human gender norms don’t apply.  

The point is that we, as a society normalise a very narrow idea of what qualifies as a woman.  Everything that doesn’t fit in that narrow definition is male by default.  A lot of people struggle with the idea of gender neutrality…it is hard to think that way we are so, so hardwired against it, and with a media and society fighting very hard to retain that status quo.

I want more fembots in my Transformers…I want more female-looking Transformers who go by ‘he’ and male-looking transformers who go by “she” and everything in between.  It’s a perfect sci-fi concept…there is utter freedom to apply gender to any character in any way desired.  Why can’t there be characters who look like Optimus who just like to go by she?  It’s been stated in the comic that pronoun for them is merely a choice.  I want to see that explored!   Female looking fembots are great! So are ones who look less female.  The more of BOTH in BOTH directions we have, the more believable the gender neutrality of the TFs becomes.  When you take a character like Tailgate, or Whirl, who don’t even have faces, or bodies really resembling humans, and call them male and everyone’s okay, you should be able to do the same with women.  That’s what I mean when I say there should be variety.

And at the end of the day, if you can’t look at a fictional robot, and conceive of it being anything other than male, you might have some soul-searching to do in order to understand why that thinking is so pervasive.

I think this is a dialog that needs to happen.

I think that everyone was very very quick to jump on the female Transformers band wagon, without being very critical.  We were given fems….but they conform to every stereotype that women in fiction ever have conformed to.  It’s….technically progress, but it’s not without fault and it warrants more than just blind praise.  If these designs do nothing other than get people talking, debating thinking, criticising both others’ stances, and also their own…well, then that’s great!  Dialog is important!

I also want to thank everyone who’s taken the time to look at and talk about these designs, whether positive or negative or neutral.  I think it’s meaningful either way.  It’s my earnest hope that this post clarifies my position a little bit (although there’s a lot more I don’t want to cram in here right now….this is long enough!) 

I’d like to point out that the “only four females” thing is purely idw. Transformers, in its 30 year history has plenty of “non-feminine” females. I present my first examples, Strika, Sonar, Override (who in japan was male) Discharge, Howlback, Angela, and the Sonic attack team (those last two are kinda pink though so ehhhh?)

Absolutely! Female Transformers have been handled in a lot of different ways…some good, some bad. This post is JUST addressing the IDW continuity. If we were talking about others I would have a totally different opinion (I’m in love with how Arcee is handled in Prime and she’s plenty feminine). It all comes down to handling and context and I just think IDWs has been (and still is clumsy) and needed some talking about!

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Anonymous asked: I wanted to say I love your ladybot designs! It's nice to see designs for female-identifying characters that don't fall under 'girl = boobs, hourglass figure, make-up' or that woman = feminine in general. Some might call the designs 'masculine' but I don't agree with that. If your designs for Windblade or Chromia were for male characters they'd be considered effeminine. Male-coded characters like Tailgate & Drift have curvy designs anyway. Having bulky Elita should be fine. They all look cool.

Thanks!  I definitely (obviously) agree.  Everyone’s responses have been really interesting…and enlightening.  As a consumer and creator of science fiction, this is an issue I really find interesting, and one I’ve seen sadly, repeated over and over in a lot of stories.  

The double standard that says male-coded characters can look ‘feminine’, but female ones can’t look ‘masculine’ is really saddening.  The idea isn’t to promote more stereotypes of what women LOOK like, it’s to promote that women are CHARACTERS, whose personality supersedes their appearance…just like men.  There is not a huge shortage of women presented in media at just face value…what there is is a shortage of women who are more than just their looks.  We SEE women in media a lot…in the background, on the sidelines, in the arms of the hero, in one type of body.  Let’s see personalities, and individuals, who look and act and identify as women but are more than just The Woman.

Your comments totally nail that fact!